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A sad call from an older brother

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we got a call a couple of days ago from this older brother in the hall.

he is a great guy who is in his eighties.

he has a very hard time walking and just getting around because of old age but he is the kindest man.

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I am making such a deal out of it because it affects me. I have a husband who is older than I am and I can see what my life will be like when he get that age and it is depressing, sad, and very frustrating. My husband is already that way really has been for along time.

And no this man is not HAPPY and he is not enjoying his life. He is putting himself out there to do what some religion has brainwashed him into believing that God demands of them. That is why I am making a big deal out of it. Because it is sad that this religion makes people feel guilt. And we just sit back and help them by saying well if it makes him happy. It is crazy.

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A sad call from an older brother

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we got a call a couple of days ago from this older brother in the hall.

he is a great guy who is in his eighties.

he has a very hard time walking and just getting around because of old age but he is the kindest man.

life is to short

Another point to say about this man is he truly believes that this is the truth and that it means everyones life if they do not become a JW. So at the doors he will not leave if they say they are not interested. He just keeps going on and on. The people at the doors try to be nice but it comes to a point where they often get rude with him. They have to be they will shut the door in his face.

I have been with him and after awhile they person at the door will say what part of I am not interested do you not get. Then when we leave he just hangs his head and says but it means their lives how can they not see that. What did I do wrong to not get them to see that this is the truth. I am not doing enough to make them see that this means their lives. It makes him even more depressed.

I do not get the ones who feel that he is doing God's work. Really you truly feel that way? How is this God's work making this older man depressed and bugging people. I just do not get it.

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A sad call from an older brother

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we got a call a couple of days ago from this older brother in the hall.

he is a great guy who is in his eighties.

he has a very hard time walking and just getting around because of old age but he is the kindest man.

life is to short

I think you missed my point here. I am glad he has my husband and yes it is good he has something fill his time. What I am talking about is the guilt. There are days he just cannot walk, he cannot hardly get out of the house and he sits at home feeling horrible. Why because of guilt.

I clean for two older ladies one is 94 and the other is 91. Both are in pain like this brother and both are not JW's. They have had great lives and are happy. They both have problems getting around especially the 94 year old. But they do not feel guilt over it. Both are active as much or even more than this brother and the 94 year old has as many pains as the older brother. The difference is depression. Instead of taking them in field service I will take them to a movie or out to lunch downtown where they cannot go unless someone drives them. I feel like I am helping them more because the time they are in the movies they are not thinking of their aches and pains. Out in field service when this brother falls he is upset with himself and feel worse pain for days.

The older Brother has depression from the guilt of not doing more in field service. The ladies I clean for vote and go to lunch, shopping and other wise enjoy life. He does not because he is so sad feeling like he is not doing enough for Jehovah. I think that makes his pain worse because he is thinking about it more because he cannot do what he feels he must and that is sad.

See that is what I am trying to say the "truth" or JW's cause depression. They cause guilt by always telling us we need to do more. That is wrong peer and simple. Yes they let us turn in 15 minutes but what good is that when they lay such guilt on us anyway. So what you get 15 minutes in but all you hear about is some brother who does more then you do. It never stops.

This is what I mean this religion cause so much suffering and depression, can't you see.

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A sad call from an older brother

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we got a call a couple of days ago from this older brother in the hall.

he is a great guy who is in his eighties.

he has a very hard time walking and just getting around because of old age but he is the kindest man.

life is to short

We got a call a couple of days ago from this older brother in the hall. He is a great guy who is in his eighties. He has a very hard time walking and just getting around because of old age but he is the kindest man. Would do anything for anyone.

Well he called and wanted to talk to my husband. Seems he has been feeling really bad because he just cannot get out in service like he feels he must. He feels he is letting Jehovah down by not doing his part to make known God's kingdom. He likes to go out in service with my husband because he has to use the bathroom often due to old age and he cannot walk well, falls down a lot, stumbles and such. Of course my die hard husband told him that he would only to willing to go out in service with him, which is good in one way because my husband will not push him and this man can ease his mind that he is doing Jehovah's work.

When my husband got off the phone I said how sad it that! This poor man in his last years of life is feeling such guilt. He did all he could until now and now his body just will not let him do this stupid work of bugging people at their homes and he is spending the last years of his life depressed. Of course my husband took offence to what I said, but it is how I feel. How can the JW's not see how crazy this is. We are not spreading Good news we are bugging the heck out of people.

No wonder this religion is full of people who and depressed the guilt placed on us is always there Yet We are the HAPPY PEOPLE! Yeh right. Any thoughts on how happy the JW's are.

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My reply to "Sad email from italian Bethel"

by Albert Einstein in

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recently i started this thread:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/183604/1/sad-email-from-italian-bethel.

here i posted mail from my good friend, who works for years in italan wt printery and is recently downsized:.

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I thought it was great too. I will give him a lot to think about in a none threating way.

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This is a perfect religion!

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this is perfect religion with imperfect people.

the elders are imperfect that is why there are problems.

we just need to endure because jehovah is allowing this as a test to see if we will still love him.

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Mainthemiddle

You are right that was what I meant. This is what I have been told lately when I question something and there is no answer for it. The CO two weeks ago ran with the statement that this is a perfect religion with imperfect elders in it. He just could not answer my questions and got so frustrated with me. Finally all he could say was I will pray for you. Like that was all he could do. None of my questions could be answered. Like OK if the other elders are imperfect than why was my husband deleted for a pedophile shoving him in the hall. The other elders who allowed pedophiles to hold children got off because they are imperfect. But my husband is not imperfect?

Then three nights ago two elders came by and one elder that was all he could say, he just kept repeating it over and over and then my husband picked up on it and he has been saying it to me and I felt like I was going crazy.

The part about wishing I was not alive. Everyones point in saying that should tell me something is wrong in this religion is so right. I finally stated thinking of all the years of depression I have had and for what. If I was truly in a perfect religion I would not feel that way. The only time I am happy is when I am away form it.

I told the elder who came by three nights ago that and he said that statement that I was happy away form the meetings freaked him out. Yet this elder told me that in the last three months himself he has been thinking of dying himself and he would be better off dead. I was blown away. This elder is a very nice guy. I really like him. I think he is honest. He lost his son who was only in his late 20's his only child and he had not spoken to his son because he was DF'ed and this elder feels such guilt but this elder said I had to stay loyal to Jehovah. It breaks my heart. The way his son died it could have been that he took his own life. How sad is that. My heart really breaks for this man.

This religion really hurts. This is not a joke. This religion takes our lives one way or another. And some of us to do not know it until it is too late.

Flipper thank you for what you wrote. I do not know how I would have made it without you and Mrs. Flipper. You two have been such a huge help to me in all of this. If it were not for the both of you I do not know where I would be today. Thank you.

And to those of you who asked I do not have children. I am thankful because I would have raised them in the religion and what more heartbreak I would be in now. I could have been like that elder who lost his son.

Thanks to everyone who posted. LITS

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Interesting Thought about JW's and People Outside the Org

by Mrs. Witness in

on another thread, aude sapeare said:.

jws make this huge assumption that once you leave the 'protection' of the org, you will go off the deep end and become totally irresponsible, drink, smoke, do drugs and have sex with anyone and anything.. that is what i have been fighting with my husband about for 3 years now.

when he was kicked out of his jw's mom's house when he was 15, that is exactly what he did for about 20 years.

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That a huge fight my husband and I have. I can point out to him more people on the outside of the org who are better, kinder, live better lives, have less health problems, depression way less depression etc. My husband comes back Satan is not testing the world like he is us that is why they are happier. Satan has them so why would he need to make their lives hard. Satan only make life hard for JW's.

Oh MY GOD my head is just swimming.

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This is a perfect religion!

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this is perfect religion with imperfect people.

the elders are imperfect that is why there are problems.

we just need to endure because jehovah is allowing this as a test to see if we will still love him.

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Newborn

You are right in all you say. My husband and I got into a fight this morning and that was what he threw at me yet again for yet the 100's time.

I was so mad, my husband says Jehovah is just testing me. I said so you mean I have spent 46 years of my life depressed and wishing to die because Jehovah is testing me. Jehovah let me be rapped as a child to test me. Jehovah let me be stalked to test me. Jehovah is letting a psychopath harass me at the meetings to test me? I do not want Jehovah than I hate that kind of God and my husband waked out the door to go to work.

I was just so down. I know I have to make a choose and it is hard. I have spent my whole life believing this way. I still love my husband but the love is going away. 22 years of marriage and and I want my husband to care. When we were pioneering my husband told me crawl on my hands and keens because Jehovah was testing me when the MS brother was threating to kill the both of us. I stayed I was so stupid.

I am just so hurt now. I am not 25 years old and feel like my husband knows everything. My husband honestly felt Jehovah was allowing us to suffer with a nut case and and gun to test us. What did it prove. I am just bitter for well over two years of the first years of our marriage I never knew when my husband left to go to an elders meeting or out in service if I would see him again. No one would help. Just trust in Jehovah.

You cannot reason with with JW's. It is always that I do not have faith. I just need more faith. If I went out in service more my depression would just go away.

I know I have to make a choose. I cannot stay like this. All my life. My husband comes and goes in regard to believing that this is the truth, but when he expects me to go through hell yet again to be tested yet again I just lost it this morning.

I will feel better the longer the day goes on. I just look at other couples in different religions and see the how happy they are and my marriage has never been happy. Even though we both put Jehovah first especially my husband above me even Jehovah has never blessed me. I just need to wait according to my husband.

I am like well the one thing I do know is Jehovah gave me a life now and so what if I keep suffering and than at the end of my life learn that John 6:44 applies to me and Jehovah has really hatted me like I thought. Then my whole life has been a wast.

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This is a perfect religion!

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this is perfect religion with imperfect people.

the elders are imperfect that is why there are problems.

we just need to endure because jehovah is allowing this as a test to see if we will still love him.

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This is perfect religion with imperfect people. The elders are imperfect that is why there are problems. We just need to endure because Jehovah is allowing this as a test to see if we will still love him. Jehovah who knows everything and see everything He allows things to happen really bad to some people for some reason. We just need to wait on Jehovah until it is His time to reveal it. We must suffer until it is Jehovah's time to make it come to light. We must not move ahead of Jehovah's arrangement. We must remember that even if we are in deep depression there are others that are worse then we are and they endured, we must remember Joseph, Job, Danial and others from the Bible. David who had to run from Saul. Jehovah allows people to be tested to see if they are fit for is kingdom.

We must never question Jehovah and this is Jehovah's perfect religion and he only has imperfect people to use.

Sometimes I really wish I was not alive. You cannot win. I feel so trapped.

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. From the Nov 1 WT

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the november 1st public wt has an article on "do you need to learn hebrew and greek?

" funny is it not that they feel we do not need too.

anywho on page 21 of said wt.

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Any "research" I have seen done, aside from my own, is a hack up cut and paste job from the WT CD. The sad result is that the research material is usually poorly sourced and pretty useless to prove anything. This aversion to making effort to learn Bible languages is unexcusable for a corporation that represents itself as translating the Bible from original languages and teaching what it means. To an outsider, the corporation looks very pathetic.

This is exactly what I mean. I was raised around the "truth" oh how I hate that word, but I never learned anything else or was able to study anything else to prove to myself that it was indeed the "truth". Instead I was told how blessed I was to not have to do that. I would have the "friends" in the "truth" tell me about their pasts in other religions as testimony that this was the "truth" because they hated their old religion and were so glad to have found the "truth" about the Bible.

I used to just wish I could have learned it first hand myself. Have went to other church's and talked to the ministers, myself to here for myself how horrible these pagan people were. How they treated each other so unkindly and all they wanted was to pass the plate.

Instead I was "lucky" for lack of a better word to have been blessed and speared all of that by being raised in the "truth" it has all been done for me all I have to do is study the WT and Awakes and that is it.

I just felt like the Nov 1st WT was again telling me that all I can believe is what they say to me. I am just frustrated. I feel trapped and frustrated. My husband is such a die hard. We had the elders visit us again last night and that was what they pounded into me that this is a perfect religion with imperfect people running it frustrating.